KMO has another go at finding “the upside of down,” this time with Jan Lundberg of CultureChange.org and the Sail Transport Network. Could petrocollapse be right around the corner? Jan Lundberg thinks that it might be, and what’s more, that might not be such a bad thing. Topics include the plastic plague, pedal powered produce, and unearthing sustainable living by de-paving paradise. Music by the Depavers.